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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2012.01.22 01:34:00 -
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What are the reasons behind the current show of Hate-CSM threads? I've read the minutes with a lot more care than most people have(Trust me, i translated the whole thing) and i follow their blogs (some of them.. not all the blogs) but i don't see anything worth raging about.
I have nothing against any of them personally.. In the past, i did have a few things against some of them being in the position they are, but they've all earned my respect after all the impromtpu meetings last year. Besides, i can say that at least three of them really deserve being there.
Come on, i like being mad. I want to get mad too. Show me where the CSM have touched you Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2012.01.22 01:52:00 -
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Cyzlaki wrote:In all fairness, they're doing a good job and some of them actually care about the game and want to make it better.
Vote Darius III for CSM!
I do believe that all of them want ot make EVE a better game. Though i can't say theres even one of them that knows how to make it a better game in all aspects, naturally. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
694
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Posted - 2012.01.22 02:04:00 -
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mkint wrote:every CSM proposed change was to promote nullbears solidifying their empires, defending their RMT from any threats, and reducing the overall quality of the game for anyone who's not them. And some of the decision makers are going along with it. God help us all.
Like destructable outposts.. telling CCP not to make any new supercap.. these are two things i can think of the top of my head.
Can you ellaborate on what propositions you perceive as "promoting nullbears solidifying their empires"?
On a sidenote, i'm not really a Darius III fan, but i chuckled at the high-sec incursion bear griefing thing lol. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
694
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Posted - 2012.01.22 02:46:00 -
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mkint wrote:Lobbyists are the very definition of corruption.
I won't argue with all the things you've said since its all subjective.. those are your personal opinions.
However.. "lobbyists are the very definition of corruption"?!?! Huh!?
The individual CSM members that push for things they want, and as they perceive are there because a whole LOT of people who think and want the same things that they want voted on them. If i live in nullsec i'll vote for a CSM that pushes for nullsec iteration. That is why they are called "Representatives". They represent the wishes and the mindset of those who voted for them.
However, i do agree that there are sections of the game that are either underrepresented or have no representation at all.
High-sec pilots are the most numerous, but there hasn't been a High-Sec CSM to date simply because High-Sec members are as divided as they can be, and don't give a flying **** about CSM elections.
Personally i believe that there should be seats for individual categories in the CSM. Like "Vote for your favourite FW representative" and "Vote for your favourite High-Sec representative" and "Vote for your favourite Wormhole representative". Factional Warfare players shouldn't be penalized simply because their voices aren't loud enough to be heard.
But that's besides the point. What i'm trying to say is that you can bet your damn ass that CSM members are lobbyists. They are pushing for changes that the people who voted on them want.
Who you voted for? Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
695
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Posted - 2012.01.22 03:15:00 -
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Caldari Acolyte wrote:[...]pointless to try to convince CSM fan boys and their minions as a logical argument is only countered by convoluted noise as it threatens there power base, RMT operations etc, best start writing CCP to dump CSM's time better spent.
So calling people "Fanboys" and "minions" simply because they happen to have an opinion different than your own and/or are not convinced by your points is your way of exhibiting argumentative superiority?
It makes some sense.. since i can't argue with someone who resorts to calling me names without going down a few levels... Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
695
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Posted - 2012.01.22 03:31:00 -
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Or don't. I didn't.
But i ain't complaining. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
696
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Posted - 2012.01.22 04:26:00 -
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(quoting just to say that i'm replying to this guy, instead of the gentleman above me...)
Well, the point can be made that a lot of the bad things that happened last year had little to no input from the CSM at all.
From Sanctum nerf in march (while the new CSM was still organizing itself) to NeX pricing.
I' don't wish to go on a "null-sec vs high-sec" debate, but high-sec dwellers have little to complain about regarding 2011. High-sec dwellers have actually little to complain about the past 4 years, when compared to null-sec people as a matter of fact.
Truly though.. like i said i believe that there should be a better representation from wormhole and factional-warfare people. CCP should - for this next election - take into consideration that either by the very nature of the category (Wormhole) or by the fact that the category is fundamentally flawed (factional warfare), people who care about either of those things don't have the same voting power as those who play a different EVE. Which doesn't mean that they should go on without a proper representative (or representatives.. god knows there are too many nullsec CSM members in there already).
FW needs to be worked on so that it will attract more numbers. However, for it to be worked on it needs a voice in the CSM. And to get a voice in the CSM, it needs numbers to vote on a proper candidate. See the issue?! Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
696
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Posted - 2012.01.22 04:37:00 -
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Spineker wrote:Get rid of the nonsense and let real game developers do their job.
Yeah... i'll just....
I'll just quote this part... Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
699
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Posted - 2012.01.22 04:49:00 -
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As a side note, i'll cross-quote from another thread:
Rikki Sals wrote:Atticus Fynch wrote:Who exactly do they represent and how do they speak for the rest of us?
I have yet to receive any surveys or questionaires from them asking what I, as a player, think.
Are they a truely respresentative body or just the body with the biggest mouth? So big they have psuedo-celebrity staus and get free trips to Iceland. They represent those who voted for them, which ended up being about 14.25% of active subscriptions last year. Surveys or questionnaires originating from the CSM might be of some value, but again, the results of those will only reflect the sample of people who responded (and that's assuming respondents weren't just trolling.) Atticus Fynch wrote:Maybe it's time to disband CSM and find a more direct method of interacting with the EVE playerbase. Representative bodies are a relec of the pre-internet/digital communication era. What method do you propose? Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
699
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Posted - 2012.01.22 04:53:00 -
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Spineker wrote:Yes beacuse bears suck even if they are the ones who pay for the this game.
Bears suck because despite being the ones that pay for this game, they don't have the fortitude to do anything to help themselves other than complain.
You want to be heard, bear? VOTE in the next elections. It is as simple as that. Then watch as nullsec dwellers cry because 8 out of 10 csm members are high-sec bears. Bears suck because you have the power to make that happen, but you want ot be handed everything instead of taking for a change. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
699
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Posted - 2012.01.22 05:06:00 -
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Spineker wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:Spineker wrote:Yes beacuse bears suck even if they are the ones who pay for the this game. You want to be heard, bear? VOTE in the next elections. It is as simple as that. Then watch as nullsec dwellers cry because 8 out of 10 csm members are high-sec bears. Bears suck because you have the power to make that happen, but you want ot be handed everything instead of taking for a change. [...]But the majority of players are in Highsec and they are not represented in this toxic CSM program or on the forums.[...]
I want to know how it is that you quoted me and still managed to post something that completely disregarded everything i said in my post. Why have you quoted me then?
Quote:The majority of highsec players don't even post on these forums because the Epeens insult and degrade them for playing PVE. Which is the most stupid thing I have seen. They play their game they don't want to be targets for you Epeens.
Oh for crying out loud, HTFU. Degrading insults are both ineffective and irrelevant. You let yourself be negativelly affected by what someone said about your beliefs then you don't deserve to be heard in the first place. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
699
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Posted - 2012.01.22 05:16:00 -
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non judgement wrote:I thought there were far too many people to choose from when voting last time. Highsec people probably had a hard time mostly because they were competing with each other for all the highsec votes. It would have been better for highsec people if there were only a few good highsec people to vote for. The nullsec people had it easy with their alliances to voting for them.
This is true. In my opinion this is related directly to what Spineker said. Most of high-sec people don't participate in an active way on the EVE-Offline community, so no one knows who they are. If i ask you to name 5 null-sec personalities that the entire null-sec population are aware of you'd do it in a hearthbeat.
But if i were to ask you the same thing regarding high-sec. i don't think you would even get one single name.
It is the main issue with the whole democratic voting system. People generally can't be arsed to do research on a proper candidate before casting their vote. And that is if they even bother with voting in the first place. And still, they feel entitled to complain when the people that end up elected don't share their wishes and their beliefs.
They think its everyone's fault but their own.
And before anyone says it, forcing people to vote is an even worse solution. Because then one million lemmings will vote on who has the better hair and the funniest catchphrases instead of voting on those who have the best proposals. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
699
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Posted - 2012.01.22 05:26:00 -
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Spineker wrote:[...]What I am tired of is the minority dictating for the majority[...]
Spineker, i will make the same point once again:
The majority has the tools, the power and the ways to dictate everything in this game, if only they would unite. If there is anything history has taught us is that an united mass is unstoppable.
However instead of taking their fates into their own hands, this majority does everything but.
Instead of complaining to CCP in these forums and asking them to dismantle the CSM (which they won't, i guarantee you), go ahead and elect an all high-sec CSM body. If the majority is really the majority like you speak, than not even the entire nullsec+lowsec population could compete with you on the elections. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
699
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Posted - 2012.01.22 05:34:00 -
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non judgement wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:And before anyone says it, forcing people to vote is an even worse solution. Because then one million lemmings will vote on who has the better hair and the funniest catchphrases instead of voting on those who have the best proposals. Actually, since I live in a country where everyone over 18 has to vote. I'd have to say that it really isn't as bad as you make out. I'm in Australia, incase anyone is wondering. Not sure if it makes a difference but we don't have a really big population compared to other countries. Who knows if it'd be any different if we had a larger population.
True, it depends on the numbers and the average education level of the population.
It does not makes me proud to say, but in the country where i come from (Brazil) a person can legally vote after his or hers 16th birthday. However, you are obligated to vote if you're 18 years or older. If you don't, you won't be able to graduate, you certainly won't be able to get a proper job and you won't be allowed to hold property.
In a country where the education level is sub-standard (by a fair margin) you find soap-opera stars, soccer players, lame comedy actors and talk-show hosts occupying seats in the senate. It makes me ashamed, but its the truth.
The more people you have in a group, the lower the IQ average will be. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
699
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Posted - 2012.01.22 05:43:00 -
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Spineker wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:Spineker wrote:[...]What I am tired of is the minority dictating for the majority[...] Spineker, i will make the same point once again: The majority has the tools, the power and the ways to dictate everything in this game, if only they would unite. If there is anything history has taught us is that an united mass is unstoppable. However instead of taking their fates into their own hands, this majority does everything but. Instead of complaining to CCP in these forums and asking them to dismantle the CSM (which they won't, i guarantee you), go ahead and elect an all high-sec CSM body. If the majority is really the majority like you speak, than not even the entire nullsec+lowsec population could compete with you on the elections. Right who's alt are you again?
Now i'm not sure if you're serious or just a troll.
Do you even know how to spot someone posting with an alt? Do you even know why someone would wish to post with an alt in the first place? Or you just see people telling other people to "post with main" in other threads and you think its a cool thing to say? Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
699
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Posted - 2012.01.22 05:57:00 -
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Spineker wrote:I don;t care who you post with or don't you mean nothing to me on any level.
Well i may not mean anything to you on any level. But its too bad that it is you who does not means anything to the people who have CCP's ears. Right? Right!??!! How does that makes you feel?!
Mad enough so that you'll leave the game? Or mad enough so that you'll man up, come up with a campaign and run for CSM election?!
I'm not a betting man, but if i were i'd bet on neither case. I'd bet that you will crawl back the the missioning hub that you came from and not do anything about it. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
706
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:40:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:What are the reasons behind the current show of Hate-CSM threads? I've read the minutes with a lot more care than most people have(Trust me, i translated the whole thing) and i follow their blogs (some of them.. not all the blogs) but i don't see anything worth raging about. I have nothing against any of them personally.. In the past, i did have a few things against some of them being in the position they are, but they've all earned my respect after all the impromtpu meetings last year. Besides, i can say that at least three of them really deserve being there. Come on, i like being mad. I want to get mad too. Show me where the CSM have touched you And yet a few hours later in a similar thread in this forum: Renan Ruivo wrote:I did, but to be honest i skipped the whole incursion discussion. Read the document while translating it to my alliance mates.. and since we don't give a rat's ass about incursions it seemed like wasted effort to read and translate that.
Same thing i did with the Wormholes, Factional Warfare and New Player Experience sections... And yet this person considers to place an objective argument? I smell a rat, propoganda being used by this slave for his nullsec puppet masters I suspect.
I have placed a question. Based exactly on the fact that i did not find anything worth raging about.
I read the entire document but i didn't paid that much attention nor did i translated those sections. I could have, but i don't think i'd find any reasons to rage in them since i don't live in wormholes, i don't do FW and i'm not a new player. So i can't understand why people would rage about a topic if i don't understand that topic very much in the first place.
Which brings me to my question in the original post, also included in your quote:
Quote:Come on, i like being mad. I want to get mad too. Show me where the CSM have touched you Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
706
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:53:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Mad yet bro?
Not exactly. I am, however, confused about what it is exactly that you are complaining about that i haven't explained already?
Telling me my "political opinions" are irrelevant because i am not familiar nor interested in participating on wormhole machanics and FW is like telling your "political opinions" are irrelevant because you mispelled "hypocrite".
There's a difference between not caring about something personally and saying that something has no importance in the game.
Again, if i did know everything there is to know i wouldn't be asking what the rage is all about, would i?
Now, with that in mind, can you present an argument that does not ignore what i have said to you? Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2012.01.22 17:19:00 -
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One thing you said caught my attention though..
CCP should not allow the elections to end if only 1/10 of the playerbase participated on it (like it was in the last election). I wouldn't say 2/3 because that would be very difficult to achieve.. but at least 2/4. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
710
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Posted - 2012.01.22 18:18:00 -
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Cass Lie wrote:I keep hearing about that silent overwhelming majority of pure highsecers versus the vocal but united minority of the rest. Does anyone have any actual numbers to support this? Or is this some urban myth which is being perpetually passed on from one generation of bitter vets to the other?
If you order alliances by member size and take just the top 100, you get well over 100k members total. Almost most of the alliances are null/low sec/wh entites. Now quite a lot of players are keeping high sec indy/missioning/incursion alts. So you can multiply that amount by a factor in the range of 1.2 - 1.5, so you get a reasonable estimate of around 120k - 150k chars used by players actively living out of high sec. Note that this number comes from chars who joined an alliance with member count > 450, so it can even be significantly higher (but that is really hard to guess).
So, can that even be considered a minority?
As to the OPs question: I have some minor problems (I feel communication could be somewhat better, from the outside it looks like some CSM members are slacking a bit and I have some minor qualms about some of the proposals) but on the overall I think this CSM is doing an awesome job (as did CSM5, who paved the road).
I believe that there are a couple of statistics that were shown on the old forums shortly after the last CSM election.
Well, first of all you can't really get a fair number out of the member count on the alliance list in-game. That member count does not differentiates in-account alts and old people that no longer play the game, whose accounts are inactive. And while you can get that number from null-sec alliances, you can't even make the same guess out of high-sec players because they are either members of one-man corps to avoid NPC taxes, members of group-of-friends corps or - as it is with most of them - members of NPC corps. There is no "Big High-sec alliance" because theres no need for one.
Now, the claim that high-seccers are a silent majority while null-seccers are a vocal minority is made because the high-sec population is much higher than the null-sec population. There are graphs that prove this claim and i'll go get a few later on.
However, what you see in these forums are mainly null sec players and/or veterans that already participated in all aspects of the game.
And the fact is that to survive in null-sec you need to be part of a group. There are small groups and big groups, but no successfull lone soul in null-sec. And high-sec is different.. its a place where people can do almost everything alone without ever "holding a palaver" with other people.
Also, being in null-sec takes a little more dedication to the game than living in high-sec, therefore you have groups of people that care enough about the game to read dev blogs, participate in forum discussions and.. you guessed.. participate in CSM elections. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
710
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Posted - 2012.01.22 18:24:00 -
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Trainwreck McGee wrote:The CSM just shouldn't exist. None of them are actually for the people. They should be disbanded and CCP should listen to the ALL the players
They are for the people who voted on them...
Who did you voted for? Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
710
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Posted - 2012.01.22 18:57:00 -
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So the CSM are giving input and feedback about stuff they don't understand and shouldn't be giving feedback on. Well this is definatly a big issue with the CSM, but it isn't new.
And it has already been estabilished that the advantages behind having the CSM outweight the issues with it. People need to remember that the feedback provided by the CSM is not final, and if CCP goes forward with something that passes through them but doesn't fly with the community as a whole, they will read what you have to say on the forums.
I don't believe i ever saw a feature that wasn't welcome by the community, but still got implemented because "The CSM said it would be ok to do it". Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
710
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Posted - 2012.01.22 19:11:00 -
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Ruthless Erection wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:Cyzlaki wrote:In all fairness, they're doing a good job and some of them actually care about the game and want to make it better.
Vote Darius III for CSM! I do believe that all of them want ot make EVE a better game. Though i can't say theres even one of them that knows how to make it a better game in all aspects, naturally. Thats a blatant lie. Goons will wreck this game. They wrecked the economy as well. Here's something I'd like an official CCP member to comment on, including these fucktwit CSMs. You speak about nerfing Incursions? Why? Why not nerf Tech moons? OH WAIT, Everyone in a CSM position is apart of an alliance that owns tech or is a pet of a tech moon owner. I forgot, my bad. Silly questions... Seriously, Nerf tech before you nerf Incursions.
You know, like it has been estabilished in the previous pages i haven't read the Incursion discussions. Not that it would help if i did, since i know next to nothing about how they work.
But i can tell you that i've both read and am interested about what they say about null economy. Read it again, they want to re-balance r64 moons. So anything they will do will naturally be a tech moon nerf. Like re-balancing assault ships and interceptors was an automatic nerf to the Dramiel.
And about having goons in the CSM. Well, this CSM has pushed for supercapital nerfs more than any CSM before it. And goons have one of the biggest supercapital fleets in the game.
The CSM also has a "russian overlord" member, and he was in favor of switching drone alloys for drone bounty. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
711
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Posted - 2012.01.22 19:38:00 -
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Anndy wrote:CSM bitching about incursions yet they sit on tech moons which is a very passive 10 bill per month per moon
Hmm.. okay..
Meeting Minutes wrote:
The CSM spoke critically of the technetium bottleneck and the need to rebalance moon income. The CSM noted that alliance income should be tied more closely to actually possessing territory rather than sov-independent income sources like moons.
[...]
The CSM noted that there is too much emphasis on moons particularly technetium, as a source of alliance income
[...]
The CSM noted that if moons were medium-value sources of income they would still drive conflict, but not have an overwhelming imbalance like technetium presently does. The CSM noted that line members do not particularly enjoy fighting over moons.
[...]
Most CSM's are members of alliances that hold the most amount of technetium moons in the game. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
711
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Posted - 2012.01.22 19:49:00 -
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And about wormhole discussion.. i went ahead and read it.
So the people who are mad at what was discussed are mad because something the CSM said, or about something they didn't propose?
The following caught my attention:
Quote:
CCP was worried that the introduction of some sort of wormhole stabilizer would remove some of the everyday safety that people have grown to expect. Some CSM members raised an objection to the stabilizer, as they thought it would remove some of the main constraints from wormhole space that help to keep it different than known space.
Two Step's list of smaller wormhole fixes was presented to CCP, most of which are generally applicable to POS life. Some small scanning tweaks were also mentioned. It was also requested to allow Rorqual clone vats to be usable to allow players to switch clones (and implants) within the wormhole
So the wormhole "module" was a CCP proposed idea, and the CSM didn't liked it.. Furthermore Two Step's proposed changes can't be bad for WH life.
The main thing i saw on there was the CSM arguing that wormholes were too difficult to properly invade, and that can indeed be "seen" as lobbying for a change that would allow their null-sec alliances to properly invade wormholes with blobs of capital ships.
I can't and won't discuss it though, since i can't verify anything that has been said. However i do hear more often than not people that live in wormholes complaining about the fact that its too hard to wage war in there. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
711
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Posted - 2012.01.22 19:52:00 -
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Ah i also read the FW discussion, however i have no idea if what was proposed is good or bad... have no idea about how FW mechanics work and/or should work. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
712
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Posted - 2012.01.22 20:10:00 -
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ALSO, i've just read the incursion discussion..
Where does it say that they want to REMOVE incursions from high-sec? What i'm reading is that they are proposing more balance between the different types, since you incursion bears are min-maxing and forgetting about everything in the middle.
More balance means more people will be able to do them and turn a profit, not less. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
712
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Posted - 2012.01.22 20:13:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:Only if CCP were to require the CSM to be composed of representatives with devoted investments specific to each of the realms of New Eden (hisec, losec, nullsec, w-space) will the playerbase be adequately represented.
I agree with this, however i prefer a CSM that only gets elected if at least 2/4 of the entire active EVE population casts a vote.
Even though i live in null-sec, i agree that it does not have enough people living in it to warrant over 70% of the CSM representation. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
712
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Posted - 2012.01.22 20:17:00 -
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Xen Solarus wrote:And why is it that null players moan about carebears so much anyways? Is it just their need for a fresh supply of victims?
We don't moan about carebears. We just like to bully them =)
And not because we are mean, but because we want to help them. Every week i see carebears that are converted to PVP'ers but not ONCE i saw a PVP'er convert to being a carebear. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
713
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Posted - 2012.01.22 21:30:00 -
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Just to chime in.. real mission runners aren't isk faucets..
And a little off-topic, weren't incursions LP-reward based? They give isk bounty now? How does it work? Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2012.01.22 22:55:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Xen Solarus wrote:Are there any statistics on how many people voted, here you go Quote:and what kind of player they tend to be? The existence of alt accounts in the game would tend to make this a meaningless statistic. If I vote for a nullsec candidate with my unaffiliated highsec production account, what useful information does that give anyone?
So basically 48.097 different accounts voted. Out of over 350.000 active accounts. That's roughly 14% of the EVE real population. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
716
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Posted - 2012.01.22 23:02:00 -
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Two things need to happen, in my opinion, regarding the CSM 7.
A candidate needs to have X number of suporters before he can run for election. This is already going to happen afaik, but the number of supporters required is unknown. I'd say somewhere between 100 to 500.
The election should have a minimum number of voters before it can be declared as over. Somewhere between 30 and 50% i'd say. OR, every candidate needs at least Y number of votes before he can be elected. People getting elected with only 70 votes is ridiculous, no matter how far down the reserve-reserve-reserver-CSM list he is. Ideally, both conditions would apply. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2012.01.22 23:03:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:86% of Eve chose not to participate and as such have no grounds to complain about those who did.
Don't look now. They are. =) Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:51:00 -
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OT Smithers wrote:But that's just me.
And the CSM and their giggling teabag fluffers can fark off. Nuff said.
Ok then.
*giggles while drinking hot tea* Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2012.01.23 03:21:00 -
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The only "hiding behind supercapitals" being done when the subject of discussion is "The CSM", is the hiding being done by the ones who are complaining.
You hide behind a failed argument.
Or better yet, you hide behind a tantrum Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
720
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Posted - 2012.01.23 03:59:00 -
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OT Smithers wrote:Renan Ruivo wrote:The only "hiding behind supercapitals" being done when the subject of discussion is "The CSM", is the hiding being done by the ones who are complaining.
You hide behind a failed argument.
Or better yet, you hide behind a tantrum I am Willy Freaking Wonka and this is MY Chocolate Factory!
Didn't Willy Wonka transfered his sov.. erm.. factory to the little boy? Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
726
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Posted - 2012.01.23 16:59:00 -
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Atreides Leto wrote:"Warning" Wall of Text Inbound... I will give my opinion as I did vote...I start by saying that there's a misconception that all this is Goons fault and that Mittani his this and that... I will not go into Goons per say as they are not the CSM, I will say that what I've seen from The Mittani makes me think the man is doing work, coming up with ideas and the likes, so I would consider him a valued member, on the other hand, some CSM members are IMHO a complete waste of votes, I consult the forum on occasion so not much time in here, however, in the little time I spend reading threads of my own interest and doing my business I have stumble upon these posts: Darius III wrote:
Highway to the danger zone...Gonna take you....... right into the danger zone.
Who is liking my posts? **** off and like your own posts *****!
We read all the tears and somehow still were reading more in BTL and TDF....
We tried to tell him we read all the posts and got most of the tears, but he didn't remember anything.
Ever drunk douchebag..... Not like me... I do Mushroom pizza, and coca cola....
White Tree wrote: LOOK AT HOW PAINFULLY WRONG YOU ARE ABOUT EVE ECONOMICS. LOOK AT YOU. LOOK AT YOU.
White Tree wrote: he he he the big bang theory is so whacky and random and i can relate to it because lol NERD CULTURE xd
I am certain there's more garbage around but to make my point across I believe these will suffice. So I ask all that voted, is this kind of pathetic people you want in CSM? And ask CCP, why is there not in place some sort of scrutiny about the quality of CSM members? Reading crap like that only makes you as a company look bad (trying to not write pathetic again) seems you have no will to change whatever CSM is about, what I take from it is that, you created CSM to show all of us you are so great that even have a board of players you listen to... and leave it at that. Please use some QA or some sort of reference to determined these people's quality for the job, hell even the most powerful man on earth can be impeached, please clean CSM house urgently, there must be a measure of quality in order to be part of it, using a CSM Tag should imply responsibility for what you write. CCP probable won't even read my post much less do anything about this issue, the number of voters is extremely low and by keeping this as is it will be even worse. I play EvE because I love the game (have had more love in the past, with the passing time its getting thinner) and because I see (as so many) the great potential it holds, however I tell you this, if a similar game comes along you will never see me here again, I had at one point 12 accounts, its now down to 5, I am of no importance to you if I and others such as me leave the game? The answer is probable GÇ£YesGÇ¥. Time will tell...
I'm not going to defend D3 since he already has enough people to do that for him. But i should ask you, do you actually bother seeing everything White Tree has to say about EVE, the minutes and their work as CSM?
Or any other CSM, for that matter?!
Or do you think people who work a job that they are not paid for don't have every right in the world to entertain themselves and be human?
I lol'd Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2012.01.24 22:07:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Um. How did you go from incursions to CSM? Are you talking about Darius III's shooting of the mothership?
Apparently, Darius III only got to do everything he did because he is a CSM. Otherwise he would be completely incapable of doing it.
I.E he used his CSM position to shoot motherships, and not his ship's weapons.
Didn't you know that the CSM chair has a massive DPS? Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2012.01.25 17:59:00 -
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oustade Habalu wrote:Words at random
You're fat. The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2012.01.25 19:13:00 -
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oustade Habalu wrote:Chiggy W wrote: The amount of dumb in this thread is astonishing. vote for the canidate vote for the same canidate
I too am astonished Will rally all my buddies around my GÇ£CanidateGÇ¥ thank you for the advise.
If you have at least 80 buddies you ought to get one elected, according to the statistics on the last election. Least voted person that successfully got a seat in the CSM structure only received 70 votes or so. The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die. |
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2012.01.26 00:20:00 -
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Chiggy W wrote:
Thanks for proving my original point, by ignoring all the points made and talking about grammar instead.
Wouldn't want a logical explanation and perfectly acceptable solution to perceived problem get in the way of some good old "I'm an idiot who doesn't understand stuff and I refuse to educate myself or do anything about it so it's everyone else's fault ban this now CCP" sperging.
Just call him "Fat". That'll teach him!!! The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die. |
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